And finally the day has dawn......
The last 2 weeks we were forced to switch from one channel to the other (Kerala has almost 14 regional channels!) hoping to catch the latest update on the various “kalla” Swamis. The scenes were better than any reality shows with a gun wielding swami shooting rampantly and then even screaming with pain. Of course, one will never know the political connections behind them since both the major parties are involved.
All along, Hubby and I were wondering when more religious “gurus” will be unearthed. It is common knowledge that world over, religion is now the most commercialised and every religious text and its leaders has been sold many times over. And being a Christian myself, I am not aware of the Hindu Swamis but am aware of many Christian spiritual gurus. We have Malayalam channels dedicated exclusively for these “gurus” and each episode of 30 minutes or more can cost IRS 8000 to IRS 35,000 or even more. Besides the daily appearance in these channels, these “gurus” find precious time to visit other countries too. As everyone knows, visiting US would yield dollars and visiting Kuwait yields dinars.
Now today, we have heard the news that we were waiting to hear since some time. A raid is being conducted at the place of the famed “Thanku Pastor” of the “Heavenly Feast Church”. He seems to have no answer to the source of his income.
Kuwait was "blessed" to have Thanku Pastor not once but many times. Today while checking his website I came upon an interesting “miracle”. It is under the section “Sow your seeds and pick your gift” where audio and video messages are given away.
By the way, it is not sold like in others and their FAQ section cleverly says so...
Q: “How can I get the resources (media releases) of Heavenly Feast?
A: There are no products from Heavenly Feast. But for those who support us in the missions will be given a ACD,VCD or DVD as per request. LOL!
Now for the miracle!
This is one of the latest releases from Heavenly Feast Media Ministry which features the testimony of our dear Grandma Ammini who died on her way to new york,went to heaven,met Jesus and returned back to life.
Watch this amazing video!
This poor Ammachi must be now wishing she had never boarded that plane to New York, if she ever did!
And while in Kuwait, I was told that people witnessed much healing and miracles. (one poor supporter did die on stage and the healer could do nothing since he had to board the plane to the next destination - Singapore)
I asked one of my friends, a staunch supporter of Thanku to give me the phone number of these witnesses so that I can have a chat. Alas.. no phone numbers! I was also told that he raised many to life in his home town Kottayam! Are the Kottayam residents sleeping? I mean, isn’t it time they demolished those hospitals and gave that beautiful town some breathing space? And at the rate these miracle healing and healing minsters are multiplying, we should soon have the profession of doctors scrapped away.
To think that there are educated people from all Christian denominations and other religions who flock to such gatherings!
I am in no way saying that miracles do not happen. It can happen depending upon ones faith and we already have it in the Bible. “If one has faith as small as a mustard seed, one can ask the mountain to move away and it will”. If each one of us had even a miniscule of this faith in us, we wouldn’t be flocking to these so called healers and preachers. We would have prayed for it to happen and then watched the result. And that is what keeps these “Fake” gurus ticking. Our faith is so fickle that it requires tickling.
And they are not just ticking, they are growing by leaps and bounds. Reliable sources said earlier and now being confirmed that he has built a mansion costing 2 crore in his home town of Kottayam. Like a smart businessman he has also diversified his business. I believe those working closely with him benefits greatly from him while the money keeps pouring from the thousands of believers spread across the globe. Even a penny from the listening believers can add to the coffers. He could also have other source of income which the police should unearth.
He has a shady background which is well known but unfortunately even this has added to his popularity! He used his past to “witness” on his spiritual enlightenment. Ahh.. the tricks of the trade! Who wouldn’t want to sympathise and relate with the lost sheep now come home to the Shepherd. Earlier the text of his “witnessing” was to be seen on his website but now I cannot find it.
Hubby was always greeted with stern faces if he ever mentioned about these so called “Healers” and priests who gathered income beyond their means. The common line being “We have no right to judge others but only God can judge”. Trick no 2.
The coming days are going to be exciting. We will soon see many “gurus” going into hiding. I only hope the public will cooperate and show restraint. I also hope that those who are honestly serving the poor and needy are spared.
The last 2 weeks we were forced to switch from one channel to the other (Kerala has almost 14 regional channels!) hoping to catch the latest update on the various “kalla” Swamis. The scenes were better than any reality shows with a gun wielding swami shooting rampantly and then even screaming with pain. Of course, one will never know the political connections behind them since both the major parties are involved.
All along, Hubby and I were wondering when more religious “gurus” will be unearthed. It is common knowledge that world over, religion is now the most commercialised and every religious text and its leaders has been sold many times over. And being a Christian myself, I am not aware of the Hindu Swamis but am aware of many Christian spiritual gurus. We have Malayalam channels dedicated exclusively for these “gurus” and each episode of 30 minutes or more can cost IRS 8000 to IRS 35,000 or even more. Besides the daily appearance in these channels, these “gurus” find precious time to visit other countries too. As everyone knows, visiting US would yield dollars and visiting Kuwait yields dinars.
Now today, we have heard the news that we were waiting to hear since some time. A raid is being conducted at the place of the famed “Thanku Pastor” of the “Heavenly Feast Church”. He seems to have no answer to the source of his income.
Kuwait was "blessed" to have Thanku Pastor not once but many times. Today while checking his website I came upon an interesting “miracle”. It is under the section “Sow your seeds and pick your gift” where audio and video messages are given away.
By the way, it is not sold like in others and their FAQ section cleverly says so...
Q: “How can I get the resources (media releases) of Heavenly Feast?
A: There are no products from Heavenly Feast. But for those who support us in the missions will be given a ACD,VCD or DVD as per request. LOL!
Now for the miracle!
This is one of the latest releases from Heavenly Feast Media Ministry which features the testimony of our dear Grandma Ammini who died on her way to new york,went to heaven,met Jesus and returned back to life.
Watch this amazing video!
This poor Ammachi must be now wishing she had never boarded that plane to New York, if she ever did!
And while in Kuwait, I was told that people witnessed much healing and miracles. (one poor supporter did die on stage and the healer could do nothing since he had to board the plane to the next destination - Singapore)
I asked one of my friends, a staunch supporter of Thanku to give me the phone number of these witnesses so that I can have a chat. Alas.. no phone numbers! I was also told that he raised many to life in his home town Kottayam! Are the Kottayam residents sleeping? I mean, isn’t it time they demolished those hospitals and gave that beautiful town some breathing space? And at the rate these miracle healing and healing minsters are multiplying, we should soon have the profession of doctors scrapped away.
To think that there are educated people from all Christian denominations and other religions who flock to such gatherings!
I am in no way saying that miracles do not happen. It can happen depending upon ones faith and we already have it in the Bible. “If one has faith as small as a mustard seed, one can ask the mountain to move away and it will”. If each one of us had even a miniscule of this faith in us, we wouldn’t be flocking to these so called healers and preachers. We would have prayed for it to happen and then watched the result. And that is what keeps these “Fake” gurus ticking. Our faith is so fickle that it requires tickling.
And they are not just ticking, they are growing by leaps and bounds. Reliable sources said earlier and now being confirmed that he has built a mansion costing 2 crore in his home town of Kottayam. Like a smart businessman he has also diversified his business. I believe those working closely with him benefits greatly from him while the money keeps pouring from the thousands of believers spread across the globe. Even a penny from the listening believers can add to the coffers. He could also have other source of income which the police should unearth.
He has a shady background which is well known but unfortunately even this has added to his popularity! He used his past to “witness” on his spiritual enlightenment. Ahh.. the tricks of the trade! Who wouldn’t want to sympathise and relate with the lost sheep now come home to the Shepherd. Earlier the text of his “witnessing” was to be seen on his website but now I cannot find it.
Hubby was always greeted with stern faces if he ever mentioned about these so called “Healers” and priests who gathered income beyond their means. The common line being “We have no right to judge others but only God can judge”. Trick no 2.
The coming days are going to be exciting. We will soon see many “gurus” going into hiding. I only hope the public will cooperate and show restraint. I also hope that those who are honestly serving the poor and needy are spared.
A SPINE SURGERY IS POSTED FOR ME ON 22/5. WE WILL MEET AFTER I COMES BACK FROM HOSPITAL
ReplyDeleteMr thangu and thomaskutty is very familier to me.
do you know saul? mebbe no! ok..have u read mark 16 15 ? Jesus last words were go into the world and preach the gospel...if u have spoken atleast to one person in your life time and brought him to the lord then i would say that u r a christian.If u confess me in front of others then i wil do the same about you with the father! otherwise a christian name and an attitude that will give the devil himself a inferiority complex will lead u nowhere..iam not saying that God will punish u here on earth, but he will take the protection off you and the devil will make a home in u...when saul was persecuting the christians and when he heard the voice and asked who is this,the lord expained that when u persecute the christians, you are persecuting me!!! So do u know what you are doing now? well u wrote " can i have the contact of at least one person who received a miracle.." well write to me and i will, because i received so many miracles.pastor thangu is not doing the miracles , he is being used as a vessle ...if you have the time get down on your knees and ask God for forgiveness for persecuting the ones that bring so many to him.. you cant hope to do in your life time what they are doing in a day. Ask him to change your heart for you.then when u talk about finance, without finance how do you think the word will reach the world , the bible says in the end days the word will reach every home.. so do you think the time allotted for a programme will be given free by the provider? please enlighten yourself and get saved before it is too late
ReplyDeleteone more thing,can i have ur name and phone number or are u fickle enough that you can do only invisible tickling?
ReplyDeletea well written article kitten... across religions 'kalla' swamis do cause concern to simple people like us.. who look to them for spiritual guidance.
ReplyDeleteYou've summed up well on miracles saying... "I am in no way saying that miracles do not happen. It can happen depending upon ones faith and we already have it in the Bible. “If one has faith as small as a mustard seed, one can ask the mountain to move away and it will”.
I am actually from a different religion, but I love Jesus. He's a God of love and compassion.. His telling "If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.." is so beautiful.
I am surely not well versed with Bible, but have always enjoyed reading it with reverence.
Some passages that seemed relevant to your thoughts, in blog...
2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them –- bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping"
Matthew 22:21 Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Matthew 21:32 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
The below text are from a blog http://michaelsreflections.blogspot.com/2008/03/article-who-will-be-in-heaven.html
Who Will Be in Heaven?
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: -Matthew 25:34
Have you ever wondered who about who will be in Heaven. Some believe that it will be populated by a select few while others suppose that everyone will be there. Will Heaven be populated by professing Christians only? What about those who never heard the gospel or Jesus’ name spoken? Is the native living in a hut deep within the jungles of South America out of luck because the missionary has not reached him?
There is also the issue of the countless millions throughout human history who have died without hearing the gospel and the unborn that never see the light of day in this world. Do any of these have any hope of being in Heaven? If so, how will they get there?
In Revelation 17:9, John gives us a view into Heaven. He writes of a great multitude that no man could number standing before the throne of God. They represent every nation, kindred, people and tongue. It is a comfort to know that the Lord will reach and save everyone of his elect.
Though the missionary may never reach the whole world, God knows them that are his. We don’t sorrow for those who may have died not hearing about Jesus. Jesus knows them that are his. In John 10:27 Jesus says that, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”
Jesus knows them that are his and he will not lose one. “All that the father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out (John 6:37).”
This promise applies to the most pious Christian. It is also true for the lowly nomad in the desert that feels his sinfulness. It is real for the native running through the jungle that looks to the sky and recognizes that there is one greater than himself. God can even reach the unborn babe in his mother’s womb. Though he may never see the light of day in this world, God knows his situation.
The Lord knows them that are his! All that Jesus died for will someday be with him in Heaven forevermore. He shall save his people from their sins (Matthew 1:21).
@Sparkling: All the best for your surgery. May God be with you. Once you are back I hope I can know more about your association with the mentioned people.
ReplyDelete@Thomas: Religious debates always gets out of hand so I do not want to excite you any further but if you dont know the last words of Jesus as yet, then maybe you are talking about a different Jesus?
I also do not want to repeat since the Bible texts and more are already provided by my blogger friend above, but would like to sum it up thus:
Bible does say that in the final days many will come in the name of Jesus to mislead the people. As Chritians it is our duty to beware of such people and others who speak for them. It is also written in the Bible to test those who preach in the name of Jesus.
How can a person who builds mansions for himself and amass wealth claim to follow Jesus who lived a very simple life here on earth?
Why should a person who claim to have raised people to life and perform miracles advertise the same through the media? Jesus made no advertisements, yet people flocked to him by word of mouth. He lived a life that inspired many and still does after 2000 years! He even asked some not to tell about the miracles.
And above all, please do not think that a life free from all troubles and pain is what Chritianity is all about.
I think there are people who teach the word of God with humility and love in those Channels. Listen to them if you think you cannot understand the Bible yourself.
And please do not equate Jesus with any of these people and bring shame to the Chrisitian community. Open your eyes and ears and try to find the truth. There is no smoke without fire.
I pray that we do not have mass potests saying that the Government and others are persecuting the poor missionaries! Let us see this as an opportunity to purge every Church from false teachers.
2 Peter 2:18
For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
1 John 4:1
Test the Spirits
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
I do not want to advertise mine or my loved one's faith here, but the Almighty has led me and my famliy all these years and I thank Him for His grace.
But I think it is time Thanku and his likes asked God for forgiveness as he has been misusing the word of God to hoodwink people. Let him first confess and ask others to confess, since the greatest sin is to make another sin. Let them prayerfully read the Bible and open their hearts to the real Jesus.
I see that you yourself have not provided even an email id. As for phone numbers, even if you give me yours I dont think I would like to listen to the same old story. And for your information, after seeing Thanku on stage I did write to him. I specifically asked him to explain what exactly he is doing. This was a year ago but as expected there was no response.
@Kat Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it.
Thangu is no doubt rogue of the first order. Spirituality for these rogues have become business than service to the people. Can somebody explain why should he build a mansion for himself.
ReplyDeleteBible also asks us to beware false prophets who come in his name and try to mislead us. Thangu nand his gang of unemployed youth need to be reined at the beginning itself, than to let them grow wild and cause cancer to the whole society.
george..
happy kutten:
ReplyDeleteReligious debates always gets out of hand so I do not want to excite you any further but if you dont know the last words of Jesus as yet, then maybe you are talking about a different Jesus?
Thomas:
looks like you have not read Mark 16:15 (New International Version).15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creationWhoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."19After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
Did I miss out something brother?those were his last words..So i guess since you have not read this anyone who does preach or do miracles is a false prophet to you..
Hoppy Kutten:
I also do not want to repeat since the Bible texts and more are already provided by my blogger friend above, but would like to sum it up thus:Bible does say that in the final days many will come in the name of Jesus to mislead the people. As Chritians
Thomas :
Chritians ? did i miss something here? hehe hehe jokes apart...some christians cant even spell it..
Hoppy kutten:
it is our duty to beware of such people and others who speak for them. It is also written in the Bible to test those who preach in the name of Jesus.
Thomas:
Mathew 23: 33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]".. So brother, please dont write what you have not seen or not understood.. it looks like you are persecuting people who are bringing happiness and joy to many in this world by giving Jesus to them
hoppy kitten:
How can a person who builds mansions for himself and amass wealth claim to follow Jesus who lived a very simple life here on earth?
Thomas:
mathew 2.. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh...so you mean jesus did not accept those expensive gifts??
Jesus was not against wealth. he has called us so that we can inherit a blessing , so that we can be a blessing for many..When the blessings overflow you start giving it out to others also...
hoppy kuttan:
Why should a person who claim to have raised people to life and perform miracles advertise the same through the media? Jesus made no advertisements, yet people flocked to him by word of mouth. He lived a life that inspired many and still does after 2000 years! He even asked some not to tell about the miracles.
Thomas:
read mark 16 : 15 again..and also it is said in the last days the word of god will reach the homes of people...ad, TV, CDs,brother that is preaching the gospel and being his testimonies..
hoppy kuttan
:And above all, please do not think that a life free from all troubles and pain is what Chritianity is all about.
Thomas:
JOHN 16 :33"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world..makes sendse? yes you will have problems but he will deliver you from that..Those who dont have the revelation may say ,that they are happy with their disease..others rise up victoriously above these issues and give glory to God by being his testimonies
hoppy kuttan:I think there are people who teach the word of God with humility and love in those Channels. Listen to them if you think you cannot understand the Bible yourself.
Thomas: Have you listened? looks like to u benny hinn,pod parsly, t d jakes all are wrong teachers!! have u heard their firey sermons.. firey sermons are required to jolt people out of their lethargy and self righteousness.
Hoppy kuttan:
And please do not equate Jesus with any of these people and bring shame to the Chrisitian community. Open your eyes and ears and try to find the truth. There is no smoke without fire.
Thomas :You are mistaken here..no one has equated anybody here..they are being used by God to bring more people into his kingdom, its a lack of revelation that makes you think that these people are claiming to be Gods..Regarding smoke and fire , somepeople like you blow hot air hoping to create smoke and fire
Hoppy kuttan:
I pray that we do not have mass potests saying that the Government and others are persecuting the poor missionaries! Let us see this as an opportunity to purge every Church from false teachers.
2 Peter 2:18
For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.1 John 4:1 Test the SpiritsDear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.I do not want to advertise mine or my loved one's faith here, but the Almighty has led me and my famliy all these years and I thank Him for His grace.
THomas:
looks like you are a hypocrite!! why did u come to the gulf to make a fortune, you could have stayed back in india and led a humble life?? comeon..dont tell me that you are giving out your money to the poor and just leaving enough for your daily needs!!
Hoppy kuttan:
But I think it is time Thanku and his likes asked God for forgiveness as he has been misusing the word of God to hoodwink people. Let him first confess and ask others to confess, since the greatest sin is to make another sin. Let them prayerfully read the Bible and open their hearts to the real Jesus.
Thomas:
like i said before its lack of revelation in you that mmakes you say these things.. seriously have they stolen something from you? IF so can you tell me what? dont blast out based on rumours..there is still time for you to get down on your knees and ask God for forgiveness for the blasphemy that you are doing.. Millions have understood God and and have received hapiness and joy because of the hard work of these people. dont destroy it sitting in your arm chair in your self righteousness.
Hoppy kuttan:
I see that you yourself have not provided even an email id. As for phone numbers, even if you give me yours I dont think I would like to listen to the same old story. And for your information, after seeing Thanku on stage I did write to him. I specifically asked him to explain what exactly he is doing. This was a year ago but as expected there was no response.
Thomas: My email id is zurrej@gmail.com...ask anything you want. my real name is thomas jacob, ima from kollam, my family name is kaniamkulam, iam a born again christian...need more, i can give it if u need it because i can boldly confess my faith.How about you identity?.as for you asking specifically to explain what he is doing!! man isnt that weird.. you go to a gospel meeting and ask the pastor " what are you doing?"well what should he be doing? REad Mathew7 : 7 which ends with dont give pearls to swine...
hoppy kuttan:@Kat Thank you for your comments. I appreciate
Thomas: Brother I pray right now in the name of Jesus that you are set free from your lethargy in serving god and command the devil to take his hands off you right now. MAy your mind be cleared off blasphemy, may your change in heart lead you to start creating blogs that will lead many to christ rather than create blogs meant to destroy people..May GOd bless you..luke 10 :5
Hey....I can' find the news on this anywhere....
ReplyDeletehope that your spine surgery was sucessfull..regarding what happens to the people who died without knowing jesus and what happens to people who have not heard of him ..read revelation for an answer that will surprise you and strengthen your belief that we serve a just God..
ReplyDeletegeorge eashow, dont bring the wrath of god upon you.. honestly have they stolen something from you? christianity is not about parambaryam, it is about becoming a new creation where the old passes away
ReplyDeleteDear Brother Thomas:
ReplyDeleteI am sorry, but if you are a Christian and a Born again as you say, it just does not show in the way you have handled the comments. You appear to me more self righteous than anyone else. You also seem to love money more than anything else.
Hope you also read that there are many more preachers being rounded up by the police for having funds beyond their means. Christ did not ask anyone to sell him and gain money.
I stand by what I wrote and your comments has made me stay further away from your kind. Thank you!
your breif reply of in say couple of minutes from my blog shows that you have not even read what i wrote, where did i say i love money or that i was claiming to be better than others.. iam being open..come on dont shy away..can you openly say that they have stolen something from you? and also what was that about staying away from your kind??self righteousnes to the end huh? In what way have i not handled your questions please ask again or read again what i have written...iam ready to explain..as i said before christianity is is not about parambaryam, it is about becoming a new creation where the old passes away...so you see your family name or your dads job or whatever does not count in heaven. it is to each his own...get right while there is still time .. may God bless u ..luke 10 :5
ReplyDeleteDear Bro. Thomas,
ReplyDeleteFor a moment keeping aside the news item which you seem to doubt, could you tell your opinion in general, about people who cheat the public, in the name of God? Would like to learn from your views.
Was looking to you to be a shining example on how blogs must be created so that it leads us to Christ. Was somehow disappointed.
Well drafted article and the media has covered the news well though many channels have tried their level best not to give a lot of publicity to His Holiness Bro Thanku…well…I have read the responses to it and the comments written by a so called “born again” Christian Thomas; has forgotten the basis of Christianity and the simplicity of the teachings of Jesus, who said “If any man wishes to follow me; let him deny himself; take up his cross and follow me.” The self denial of born again Thomas sir is very evident when he sarcastically has cracked a personal joke for a spelling mistake by Hoppy Kuttan for the word Christian. Is this the Christianity that he is proudly saying that he has embraced? Well, if that is the case, I am yet to know the Christianity that I have been practicing for the past so many years…
ReplyDeleteThe problem with all this starts with the people like this poor Thomas, who is clearly been brain washed by the BORN AGAIN Christians..these people say that they are BORN AGAIN Christians and their lives are on Sundays sacred and from Monday to Saturday a SECRET…as I am preparing this article, I was welcomed by another GOOD NEWS to the BORN AGAIN Christians…Pastor Sam Kuzhikalla another wolf in the sheep’s clothes is absconding…there are a few US NRIs who have given a complaint to the DGP. Well Bro Thomas, this is as per the news program KUTTAPATHRAM in Manorama News…if you have doubts please don’t raise it here, but do write directly to Manorama news.
Well…Thomas has once more proved by calling someone a hypocrite..what a CHRIST LIKE BORN AGAIN believer who is potraying the right spirit of a teacher who did not raise a finger to protect himself when he was flogged and blamed for nothing…Good spirit BORN AGAIN Thomas. Keep it up and fan this spirit of hatred that you are showing and one question to you…in which area does the feeling that prompted you to: mock someone for a spelling mistake and call someone a hypocrite come under? When I am reading the fruits of the spirit as found in Galatians 5:22-23 I am not able to find this you BORN AGAIN Christian….Oh Oh Oh…he has gone one step beyond and has rebuked the devil off one of the writers…
Dear Bro Thomas, can you please stand in front of a mirror and rebuke the evil spirit in you? Sincere apologies for being so harsh…you know my dear brother I am a follower of a Teacher who took the whip when he saw the place of worship being used for commercial purposes…I follow a Teacher who was the greatest revolutionary the world has ever seen…being His follower I cannot but rebuke you not to use your little emotional knowledge to bring on shame to the entire group of Christians…wake up brother..wake up…
The Lord himself said that there would be time when the King would sit on the throne of Glory and judge all the nations. He clearly stated that he would divide his flock as a shepherd does between the sheep and the goat. (Mathew 25: 31-46) The sheep on His right and the goat on His left. Where O where do we find the BORN AGAIN Christians Bro Thomas???
To the people on His right he would say,” Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.” This is the basis of Christian life. We follow a master who being in the form of God thought it robbery to be God and lowered himself until his humiliated death on the cross. (Philippians 2: 6-8) He was always with the ordinary people. He was never found proclaiming His glory. He became man so that we mankind would follow the example what he has shown. He never took any glory for himself, he never started any organisation, he was never found collecting funds for His disciples.
Where do we stand? Where does Christianity stand? Answers to these questions would raise another important question which would be that if Christ comes to this world today; would we as Christians be on his left or right? The answer is straight forward and the reference is the Word of God and only the Word of God. We need to have the right discernment on things that are coming from God. All miracles need not be from God. Let us not adhere to genealogical doctrines and practices, but turn to the Word of God for wisdom. Let us not turn to preachers to introduce new doctrines each day but hold fast to the doctrines in the scriptures. The Word of God is complete and there is no need for anyone to add or take away anything from it. God gave the wisdom to many linguists to translate His word to many languages so that the common man would understand what is written. It is written in our own language, for us as gift, a gift to use, to study and to follow.
When there are hordes of people who cannot afford one meal a day, culprits like Thomas Abraham alias Thanku has the nerve to built huge mansions…oh oh sorry readers…he is the follower of the Teacher who taught simplicity…millions are perishing in India for want of food…ox and human children eating from the waste can was something that I saw when I was back in India last year…and that too in Bangalore…what an irony…oh oh sorry again…they are all these guys according to Thomas are busy with Firey sermons..(Now may I ask what this word is? DO you mean Fiery???Which means scorching or burning???ha ha ha brother what a Christian you are…
Our duty to humanity does not end or is not within the walls of our churches. We need to come out to society, as what Jesus did. He did not preach inside the church, he did not go to the religious leaders. He came to the down trodden folks, ordinary people and this is Christian life. Many times it is a shock looking at the budget that is kept apart for crusades. Millions are spent every year to hold crusades in areas where the gospel is already preached, in areas where Christianity is thriving. If these funds are used to obey what the master said; Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc Christianity would be acclaimed as unique, we as Christians would be recognised as followers of Christ. Let us in one spirit take a decision to adhere to and only to the Word of God, practice what it says and extended our withered hands towards society. Let us not be among the people to whom He would say, “I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers” (Mathew 7: 13-27)
Brothereeeeeeeeeee Thomaseeeeeeeeeeee careful…he never knew you..depart from Him you evildoer…this is my message for you…
your familiarit withthese two people is heresay or is it that they have taken something from you? if not brother dont bring the wrath of god on you... watch news, yesterday at the trivandrum convention the media were wonderstruck at the presence of GOd
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ReplyDeleteAlex? well KIT was there KAt was there now alex ok ..split personality yes but mutiple personality man...
ALEXKITKAT:Well drafted article and the media has covered the news well though many channels have tried their level best not to give a lot of publicity to His Holiness Bro Thanku…well…I have read the responses to it and the comments written by a so called “born again” Christian Thomas; has forgotten the basis of Christianity and the simplicity of the teachings of Jesus, who said “If any man wishes to follow me; let him deny himself; take up his cross and follow me.” The self denial of born again Thomas sir is very evident when he sarcastically has cracked a personal joke for a spelling mistake by Hoppy Kuttan for the word Christian. Is this the Christianity that he is proudly saying that he has embraced? Well, if that is the case, I am yet to know the Christianity that I have been practicing for the past so many years…
Thomas : THE TV channels have done an interview on thursaday at the trivandrum meeting and they have done a full coverage of the meeting..wait and see the outcome, then we will talk on that
When i said the last words of Jesus were go into the world and preach the gospel, hoppy kuttan said that the christ he knows did not say that and that chritians....so on , so naturally i though he was a non believer making up bad stuff about christians..Have you read where bar jesus confronts paul in
ACTS 13 9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun."
Dont tell me that Paul was wrong here in getting filled in the spirit and blasting out at elymas..or mebbe you have not read this part.
KITKATALEX:The problem with all this starts with the people like this poor Thomas, who is clearly been brain washed by the BORN AGAIN Christians..these people say that they are BORN AGAIN Christians and their lives are on Sundays sacred and from Monday to Saturday a SECRET…as I am preparing this article, I was welcomed by another GOOD NEWS to the BORN AGAIN Christians…Pastor Sam Kuzhikalla another wolf in the sheep’s clothes is absconding…there are a few US NRIs who have given a complaint to the DGP. Well Bro Thomas, this is as per the news program KUTTAPATHRAM in Manorama News…if you have doubts please don’t raise it here, but do write directly to Manorama news.
THOMAS:
Does that mean every born again christian is a sheep in wolves clothing? when a preist is caught for sopmething wrong does that mean that the entire christian community is like that? You seem to have something against born agains...let me tell you being born again is not a community but an experience..The bibles says John 3:3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]" 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
face it brother whether you like it or not thats what Jesus said..if you want to dispute it dont write to Manorama ..check any Bible
KITKATALEX:
Well…Thomas has once more proved by calling someone a hypocrite..what a CHRIST LIKE BORN AGAIN believer who is potraying the right spirit of a teacher who did not raise a finger to protect himself when he was flogged and blamed for nothing…Good spirit BORN AGAIN Thomas. Keep it up and fan this spirit of hatred that you are showing and one question to you…in which area does the feeling that prompted you to: mock someone for a spelling mistake and call someone a hypocrite come under? When I am reading the fruits of the spirit as found in Galatians 5:22-23 I am not able to find this you BORN AGAIN Christian….Oh Oh Oh…he has gone one step beyond and has rebuked the devil off one of the writers…
Thomas: well the writer says he aske the pastor after the meeting for an explanation as to what he is doing? what a question? sometimes u need to write and expose such wolves too and in the process a few may get upset, because of the raw nerves it touches
Dear Bro Thomas, can you please stand in front of a mirror and rebuke the evil spirit in you? Sincere apologies for being so harsh…you know my dear brother I am a follower of a Teacher who took the whip when he saw the place of worship being used for commercial purposes…I follow a Teacher who was the greatest revolutionary the world has ever seen…being His follower I cannot but rebuke you not to use your little emotional knowledge to bring on shame to the entire group of Christians…wake up brother..wake up…
The Lord himself said that there would be time when the King would sit on the throne of Glory and judge all the nations. He clearly stated that he would divide his flock as a shepherd does between the sheep and the goat. (Mathew 25: 31-46) The sheep on His right and the goat on His left. Where O where do we find the BORN AGAIN Christians Bro Thomas???
Thomas: better ask that question yourself bro.YOu seem to have some preconceived notion about a born again christian..mebbe u have been brought up in a christian family that dates back to ST Thomas, and believes that the tirumeni and all that stuff with a 300 gram gold chain around the neck arriving in a merc is the epitome of christian faith. Face it brother christianity is all about being a new creation, your family background or dads job or your current job or your position in the church does not save you ..grace and salvation is free to all who asks...I have no hassles against thirumenis or anybody, i was just giving an example of how idiotic your arguement sounds.
To the people on His right he would say,” Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.” This is the basis of Christian life. We follow a master who being in the form of God thought it robbery to be God and lowered himself until his humiliated death on the cross. (Philippians 2: 6-8) He was always with the ordinary people. He was never found proclaiming His glory. He became man so that we mankind would follow the example what he has shown. He never took any glory for himself, he never started any organisation, he was never found collecting funds for His disciples.
Where do we stand? Where does Christianity stand? Answers to these questions would raise another important question which would be that if Christ comes to this world today; would we as Christians be on his left or right? The answer is straight forward and the reference is the Word of God and only the Word of God. We need to have the right discernment on things that are coming from God. All miracles need not be from God. Let us not adhere to genealogical doctrines and practices, but turn to the Word of God for wisdom. Let us not turn to preachers to introduce new doctrines each day but hold fast to the doctrines in the scriptures. The Word of God is complete and there is no need for anyone to add or take away anything from it. God gave the wisdom to many linguists to translate His word to many languages so that the common man would understand what is written. It is written in our own language, for us as gift, a gift to use, to study and to follow.
When there are hordes of people who cannot afford one meal a day, culprits like Thomas Abraham alias Thanku has the nerve to built huge mansions…oh oh sorry readers…he is the follower of the Teacher who taught simplicity…millions are perishing in India for want of food…ox and human children eating from the waste can was something that I saw when I was back in India last year…and that too in Bangalore…what an irony…oh oh sorry again…they are all these guys according to Thomas are busy with Firey sermons..(Now may I ask what this word is? DO you mean Fiery???Which means scorching or burning???ha ha ha brother what a Christian you are…
Our duty to humanity does not end or is not within the walls of our churches. We need to come out to society, as what Jesus did. He did not preach inside the church, he did not go to the religious leaders. He came to the down trodden folks, ordinary people and this is Christian life. Many times it is a shock looking at the budget that is kept apart for crusades. Millions are spent every year to hold crusades in areas where the gospel is already preached, in areas where Christianity is thriving. If these funds are used to obey what the master said; Feed the hungry, clothe the naked etc Christianity would be acclaimed as unique, we as Christians would be recognised as followers of Christ. Let us in one spirit take a decision to adhere to and only to the Word of God, practice what it says and extended our withered hands towards society. Let us not be among the people to whom He would say, “I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers” (Mathew 7: 13-27)
Brothereeeeeeeeeee Thomaseeeeeeeeeeee careful…he never knew you..depart from Him you evildoer…this is my message for you…
Thomas: Truth hurts huh bro..look at that outburst...you write bad stuff about a person who is preaching the gospel to the world and you expect the master to know you..well good luck..remember bro heaven and hell are real.adhere to the word..
John 3:3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.[a]" 5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You[c] must be born again.' 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit..many may not understand this , they may think it is joining some church..it is not it is an application of a good conscience to god that you would like to change...but then some people are born pure so i guess they dont need to be born again.....ask for the right revelation or it will be like people who are happy with their problems because they heard that the bible says in this world you will have tribulations... but did not read the second part where it says ..but take heart i have overcome it..God bless u bro..Sorry about the spelling mistake issue.
please do forgive me.i hope that it will not be major issue.( i should start spell check mebbe)
What is happening to Thanku Br was somewhat expected. Even in the last year alone, they had visited 3 times even in small fellowships here in UK. I had kept away from those since just seeing on TV a couple of times, I knew that though he could attract 1000s of poor gullible people who in their distress don't care whether they are bowing down to graven images or idols of any sorts be it flesh or wood, he was shallow in his knowledge about the Word. It is easy to manipulate people in their need and just as Jesus commented 'You follow me because you had the bread and was full and not because of the miracle. Labour NOT for the meat that perisheth'.
ReplyDeleteProsperity is just like sugar to cake and it is part of Christian life though it is not evidence of being blessed. For it is blessed to give more than to receive (not the other way around). Godliness with contenment is greater gain and it depends on whether we realize that in Him and with Him we are more than prosperous and we trust on the faithful provider than His providence. The greek word Sozo means, to be healed, delivered, forgiven and prospered. It has been used atleast 50 times in the NT alone and has been translated healed or saved. Just as Jesus doesn't want us to sin, He doesn't want us to be poor either. But, that doesn't mean that we are to feed our egos. As Paul commented to Timothy, love of money is the root of all kind of evil and you should flee from those things. Most of the independent churches start with good intentions but they are so independent and not HIMdependent once they increase in assets, it is easy for them to fall flat faced. I wonder what would happen to the 1000s of followers. I know atleast a few who have no idea when it comes to the word and attending his services was just entertainment (another Muthukad show)and hardly and heart-relationship with Jesus.
The church is the body of Christ and most independent churches just have one organ in the body functioning as the whole unit. This results in lack of brotherhood and accountablity and submission to authority which are essential for any church.
In the UK or in the western culture as a whole, the concept of being born again when you are an adult is relevant but it just creates confusion in Kerala when most of the Christian families raise their kids knowing Jesus etc. We forget verses like (Romans 11)"When the root is holy, the branches are also holy" and 'else where your children unclean, but now they are holy (which means holiest in Greek)'. John 1 also states that being born of the Spirit is not by the will of man but by the will of God. Just as Jesus was born, so are Christian babies born into Christian families because they are sanctified by the spirit and truth (word). And, Jesus is the first born among the holy brethren. In the west, where babies are born but hardly brought up or educated in values be it Christian or other secular moral values, there is a time when they come to the knowledge of Christ but that needn't be the point of them being born again. It could also mean that they came into knowledge of their sonship which was a reality even before the world had begun. Check Romans 8 and 9 specifically on being called, Esau being rejected and Jacob selected or elected even before they were born etc. It is a pity that Christians in Kerala who could boast truthfully about their Christian values and traditions are fickle enough like teenagers who are influenced by the wrong trends in western soaps or styles in media. Again, in my experience counselling many, it is the lack of knowledge in the word or personal relationship with God which causes them to be deceived.
Most of these independent churches thrive on peoples ignorance. And as Hosea 4:6 correctly says, these people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...
Being born again is not being born into a specific denomination just mocking all traditions etc. For eg, my Dad may not be as good as me when it comes to computers, but that hardly means that I am better than him in all respects. There is no perfect church or denomination because it is made up of imperfect people. The aim should be to have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father and leading others too towards that goal.
I hope that the lure of money isn't anymore the reason for upstart denominations...
Mark 16 is Mark's account of the gospel as described to Mark by Peter. There are different last words quoted in Acts, Luke (both by Dr Luke) and Mathew's gospel. We could be easily carried away when we make paragraphs out of words and out of context. The emphasis when we study these words as a whole is in making disciples of nations (that is teach them maybe one-on-one) and these take years of effort for anyone to teach or to be taught; the absence of which (and the symptom of many independent churches) leads to destruction of God's people (Again Hosea 4:6). Again, coming to Mark 16, anybody who is a believer could lay hands on the sick to be healed not only pastors though as mentioned in 1 Cor 12, there are special gifts of healing, miracles, prophecies etc..
I hope everything turns around for God being glorified...
Are we all talkinmg of the same God or prohpet? So much differences of opinion?
ReplyDeletei wouldnt want to comment on this becuase when the church and apostles faced tribulation, they did not waste time on discussions , but they became filled with the spirit and prayed to GOD..I can see that most of these letters are from blank bloggers and sounds like defnitely christians..u did not go for the meeting because u think it is like muthukad show.man how wrong could u be...Jesus did not come for the christians but for the entire world. healing , blessings , who said that the healing is from pastor Thangu.. it is from Jesus...dont write like a yellow paper publiusher. MAy God bless u bro and may he open the eyes of your heart
ReplyDeleteOn the onset one matter is very clear. The amount of frustration that Thomas is showing to prove a point (which still I am not sure whether it is to prove the fact of Christ as the only way to salvation or whether it is to protect people like Thanku) is very obvious. As per what little knowledge that I have gathered from the Word of God; this attitude is not coming from the spirit but from the flesh. So first of all, I don’t consider this Thomas as a representative of God, but a representative of the so called useless preachers whose aim is ONLY to make money…from medical equipments to chit funds then go in hiding and suddenly emerge as a preacher…shame on the folks who support such kind of people and that too taking verses from the infallible word of God.
ReplyDeleteNow for BROTHER Thomas’ explanation to me about Christianity…dear brother I was for a long time an atheist and it was the love of God that I was convinced about which turned me to be a staunch believer of our Lord Jesus. I believe in the born again experience that you rightly pointed out but I don’t believe in the so called BORN AGAIN Christians like YOU dear brother. I have only high degree of sympathy for you…bro it is only sympathy. I have to ask you something…have you ever in your life been involved with any ministry deeply to an extent of preaching the gospel on the roads in India? I am talking about pure evangelism…this takes certain degree of commitment and dear Brother, I have done this. Don’t tell me what is the meaning of Born Again Christians and what all these stupid organizations do…I am a person who was deeply involved with all these missionary organizations and I know what it means for these people to do all such mockery in front of the crowd…one thing they are all focused on is money…money and nothing but money. I have seen enough people like you who argue and try to establish the fact that everyone is wrong and the only set of good folks are the useless people who follow the Pentecostal beliefs…white outside and completely black inside…ha ha ha what a contrast and what a unique way of proclaiming to the world about their true colours…The writer MV has rightly pointed out that being Born Again is not into a specific (useless) denomination like the Pentecoast…
When I exposed Thomas to his self driven way of mocking people which is coming purely out of his self centered approach, this reply is very evident that the purpose of all this argument for Thomas is not to prove a point about our Lord, but to prove that he is knowledgeable in the Word of God. Well about my bringing up; yeah I very much belong to a family with a lot of ancestral background; which to certain recent converts is just mockery as they do not have an ancestral tradition to follow and the comment about the Bishops makes it more evident that Thomas belongs to one of the useless Pentacostal or the recently sprung up New Life churches where all these people like Sam Kuzhikalla belongs…Now I understand your situation brother Thomas…I agree to your feeling of irritation. You definitely have to support and defend your folks..:) “How idiotic your argument sounds” This is what Thomas has again replied in this blog…again what a Christ like language and what a self denial in the expressions of Thomas…Brother Thomas, when the disciples were called Christians, there were certain qualities in them that made the people call them by the name first in Antioch. Now from this blog, it is very evident to everyone that you definitely do not posses these qualities of a disciple, out of which most important is self denial. Brother…thanks for exposing yourself very well like this. Ponder on one point brother Thomas…a person who is not a believer reads this Blog; do you in your remotest dream think that reader to accept you as a role model?
You rightly said Truth Hurts…don’t be emotional about all this…if you would please take time off your tasks of unnecessarily wasting your time with this blog, I understand that you are too immature to start to be involved with such blogs as your knowledge about the bible and about Christianiy itself is very much low. Educate yourself on the central theme of the Bible and the teaching of our Lord which is to respect others; observer a high degree of self denial and to make disciples till the ends of the earth teaching them to observe what He has taught us…the life of sacrifice; a life of simplicity…then you will understand where you stand with your egoistic nature.
Alex says:As per what little knowledge that I have gathered from the Word of God; this attitude is not coming from the spirit but from the flesh. So first of all, I don’t consider this Thomas as a representative of God, but a representative of the so called useless preachers whose aim is ONLY to make money…from medical equipments to chit funds then go in hiding and suddenly emerge as a preacher…shame on the folks who support such kind of people and that too taking verses from the infallible word of God.
ReplyDeleteThomas says : You yourself say that from the little knowledge that you have etc etc.your issue is that he was selling medical equipments and did chit funds which failed..is that supposed to be a disqualification for comming into the kingdom of GOd? then i would suggest that you read the bible and gather more knowledge about the requirement for getting closer to GOd.Mebbe u have not read who saul was till God touched him..because of him we have a major portion of the Bible..Why dont you blast out at Benny hinn or other international pastors who have their own jet airlines..Now why dont you go after Yohannan..Man get a life move on and try to get right with God, I wouldnt want to communicate further on this because u have a preconceived notion about everything and you call the new churches useless.Are you saying that there should be only traditional churches? then how will Jesus come again ever? you guys in your self righteuosness will not preach the gospel and will not allow others to do it also. Shame on you for calling yourself a christian and persecuting those who spend a major part of their life for bringing peoiple to God..As you said you were an atheist did that stop God from calling you? NO Then? He has called you out of athiesm and sure destruction to be usefull in his kingdom not destructive..iam sure that selling medical equipments or running a chit funds business was not as bad as being an atheist..Let me tell u bro the bible says , he blocks out all your inequities..have you heard of reny who was a murderer ( Karikkumvilla) well God is using him now to bring people to him..The moment u repent he forgets all your sins..so dont go around blasting people for what they were in tha past..if so then start a blog against apostle paul for being a persecuter of christians in his past life and sit back and bask in your glory
Get a life bro..it does not get over here on earth..and regarding pastor Thangu..has he stolen something from you or are you imagining that he has stolen something..ask the 100000 people who join for worshipping Jesus along with him and ask them if they have lost something or gained life by getting the true revelation.Ask the thousand who have been healed by Jesus..Look at the medical records..Dr benjamin is now being pulled up for validating the miracles..all the better reports of blidness from a whole team of doctors from vellore about blidness and the miracle that gave sight back to the person and the record thereafter cannot be denied..DOnt get confused between Men of God and Godmen
Boneless chilly chicken..!!!
ReplyDeleteHi guys
I am new to blogging..looks like i missed out on the happening discussions..
Anyway I have a few general questions?No prize hampers or brownie points for right answers..
Question 1:What do you think was Christ's agenda?
a)spreading the message of good news
b)keeping us poor
c)making us humble and ordinary rag pickers
d)tolerant to the point of indifference.
If your answer is a)message of good news..
What is good news?
The news is good bcos we no longer have to starve,suffer from illness or be bound by traditions.
Read atleast one of the 4 gospels by Mathew,Mark ,Luke or John.
If you think you know it all try ISAIAH..
If Christ was a sanyasi..why was he so?
So that we may be rich and blessed in every walk of our life.
When Joseph,Abraham,Moses all left their comfort zones and stood by God they prospered.
Or do you guys believe in popular bible quotes or the BIBLE in totality.
The allegation is Bro Thanku or as Dr George Easaw'calls him is a rogue of the first order'
May I ask you something..
What do you do to spread the Gospel of Christ?
Does your life in its totality reflect Christ and HIS righteousness?
When a person travels in and out of India for Christ whom HE loves and for people he has never seen I really dont see any thing exciting or alluring about it.
For that you need to stop acting like a Pharisee.(Self righteousness God hates)
Mrs Tickling Faith and others who have already crucified Bro Thanku have u seen atleast on person say Christ didnt heal them or that they were hood winked into paying Missionaries.
The media said they have seized documents and will examine them..who authorised u guys to publish more than what even the Kerala Police finds.
The money receipts are contributions from people let Enforcement enquire into it..At Trivandrum meeting yesterday in heavy down pour about +10000 people attended and prayed in the open ground and put more offeratory than usual..
Can u challenge us what to do with our money..
What about Bishops and priests who live comfortably..will u dare question.
Regarding his house..
If u can have it all and I can then how dare u say Bro Thanku should stay impoverished..
Even the Heaven promises special crowns for those who carry Gospel and face criticisms of all including Christians .
If we are the ambassadors of Christ we must reflect HIS glory and abundance not lack and misery.
Christ was accused and counted among tax collectors and prostitutes..
Christ was called a magician who healed sick and drove away spirits..
Christ was accused for the waste of perfume at his feet.
Christ was dragged to court for criticising traditions.
If you want a Christ who doesnt heal,spread gospel,love,tolerate or have honour and glory..why Christ
Boneless,chillyless,chickenless ..chillychicken
In Kerala, there are lot of parallel colleges (new independent churches), most of them with teachers (not all but definitely a majority) who hardly knows much on what they teach but focus on making students memorize the exam-oriented-questions. Most of them never know even the basics or the advanced of what they teach. The students obviously after their failure in school and the pressure from the family-social system are in a repentant (in the biblical sense which means the 180 degree turn-around) mode and they will work hard on the questions being taught and do pass the exams (healing, getting a job etc when it comes to newcomers in the new fellowships) and very occassionally in flying colors. Then these thottorials; sorry tutorials get maximum number of photos from all around the place and advertise it (testimonies) for their advantage... It is more like childish or teen-ish when some follow after others ignoring their parents to fill lusts be it for icecreams or other temporal appetites.
ReplyDeleteWell, if people did take moments for rumbling thoughts, they would know that it was not the fault of the original school (traditional churches where most of the congregation hardly takes any effort to attend bible studies or discipleship courses and most of the churches are focussed on rituals and asset management rather than the spiritual assets) or the advantage of the parallel college that had anything to do with the person's victory (in school or life).
Eph 1:3 states that we are already blessed in the spiritual realm and the bridge for it happening in the physical realm is our faith. New denominations do help in activating this but they fail miserably when it comes to discipling the people because as I commented previously, most of them if not all are ignorant or blind to teach them in those areas. Most of the congregation deny it but by their words and actions and attitudes, they show that they are the ones who grew up on the rocky surface (Mark 4). This leads to deception of the leader and also the followers, which Paul strictly warns Timothy and Titus in his epistles; (riches being a snare, false teachers tickling followers ears with what they want to hear rather than the tradition, epistles etc. Remember, Timothy and Titus were the first generation Bishops (not Pastors or elders etc which many new generation pastors want us to think). The church IS the body of Christ, Christ being the head and every organ joined together to Him. Traditional churches do have a corporate existence (and responsiblities) and hence more organs in the body rather than single-organ-denominations. In both these denominations, there is a time for some when they delberately rebel against what is being taught and is blinded towards the relationship they should have. Later in their life, often after setbacks or major challenges like financial, health crisis, they turn homeward and upward. On the road, they meet many who gives them different pictures and explanations of their Dad. Most of them get carried away with that and fail to meet the Father who is waiting with open arms.
Most of the para-churches are good when it comes to evangelism etc but after that they are more interested in channelising the funds to them and due to the fear of losing it, they are reluctant to send people to traditional churces which have more experience. In 2 Chronicles, we read many stories about the generations of David which symbolises these new churches. David was the one who did have a heart for God all his life. Most of the latter generations, they started with their dependence on God (starting new churches understanding their Himdependence), achieves great victories (signs and wonders), increases in assets and depending on the pseudo-security it offers but decreases in Himdependence and later devolves rather than evolving to Christlikeness. Kenneth Copeland and K P Yohannan are good contemporary examples. If you listen to the messages when they started 25 years ago, it was so different and spirit-filled, but now their fruits are more of the wrong kind, feeding the appetite of covetousness... Again coming to Mark 4, it is more like the reverse of what Jesus wanted or expects, uprooting (stealing) the plants in the right soil and planting it on rocks. It does show a quick growth, but sadly, the growth where it matters, that which is under the ground is missing....
bravo! at least one person has a spine..bravo..The papers will prove
ReplyDeletewhat is what and i hope these people will have the guts to make blogs
about how they were wrong and apologize
hey sparkiling thought i hope the spine surgery went well with you and i pray for your speedy recovery.....
ReplyDeleteThere is a veg aisle in the walmart nearby which has meat free ready-meals; which look like meat (chicken etc) dishes but it is completely meat free. What I believe it does is that it makes the user think that he could enjoy the taste of meat and yet claim to be a veggie. Just because there is a label of Christ or biblical names, it doesn't have to do anything with Jesus. For eg, Satan himself quoted scriptures to Eve at the first temptation and even to Jesus. The difference between Eve and Jesus was that Eve's knowledge of the word was second-hand but Jesus himself was the living word.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe or I am yet to find anybody who are Christ-like in all respects. We could all find fault with each other on our activities in the physical or mental realm on introspection. Most of us are Lamechs (Gen 4) where we compare our goodness with somebody else's fault (Cain's) and try to justify ourselves. We maintain a blinder to our own serious faults.
When a Bishop or anyone proclaiming to be a Christian leader travels in a S class especially in our villages in Kerala, it doesn't exemplify Christ's blessing. If prosperity was the criteria of being blessed, most of the unbelievers (the mafia, drugs and weapon dealers, terrorists etc) will win that claim hands down. Moreover, in many of the instances in the Bible, the wicked were prospered more so that their wealth was given as an inheritance to God's children For eg, Egyptians giving away their wealth to isrealites when they left Egypt, Pharaoh was more prosperous than Moses at that time, the promised land was prosperous even ages earlier and it was reserved for the children of God. It was the unbelievers or pagans who built that up.
Coming to the New Testament, in Acts as well as the epistles, we find that there was equality among the saints when it came to wealth. They thought themselves stewards rather than owners of their wealth. Paul himself laboured and commended labour so that the labourer would have enough and more to give. The opposite of what he said was stealing (Eph 4) which is selfish-accumulation of funds or sources of funds (real-estate, stealing people from other churches with deceptive ads thereby channelising a recurrent income from their offerings etc).
Paul repeatedly claimed that he never was chargeable to any man (Thess, Cor etc) ie; he never took a penny from anybody for his ministry though he did mention that the labourer was worthy of his earnings be it preaching of gospel even. But, from his letters, we find that the intention was to meet the necessity (not luxurious lifestyles of himself or his followers) even of the saints in Jerusalem (the first Church formed by Peter, James and John who were earlier against him, his doctrines and attitude towards the gentiles. Isn't that true self-less love?). For his own and for the excess being distributed, he did work making tents.
If anybody is advertising for a 7 course 5 star meal but selling thattudosa and profiting from the difference, it is something to be avoided and openly rebuked as per instructions to Timothy. But, on the other hand, if everybody in the denomination travels on S class mercs and has 50 million homes, definitely the leader should have one too which is equality which the saints in the first church followed strictly. And the denomination should invest the excess to fund the ministry's needs but stop glorified begging. But, the ads of most of the missions show african or indian orphans with their bones protruding out of starvation, the homeless etc. Recently, I did hear a well-known preacher say that there are even corporate entities marketing such things through the media representing many well-known ministries. We should be aware that the excess we have (beyond our modest (not miserly or impoverished lifestyle) needs), either as an individual steward or minister-steward (not owners) are for those needs which includes feeding with the living bread, healing, feeding and clothing the body and soul which should go hand-in-hand but not just in ads or websites. Check Ezekiel 34 too..
MV arent u one confused lil on the way child of God..I pray that u like saul u will become Paul...Have you read about the believers selling everything they had and laying at the feet of peter..could have been millions ACTS2 : 45 and the next day ACTS 3:5 he says to a crippled beggar money and Gold i dont have but i can give u Jesus..Something like teach a man to fish....Teach a man to depend on Jesus ie look at the providor rather than the provision. For heavens sake read the bible brother..dont compare the word of Gosd with commodities on the shelf.One simple question ..
ReplyDeleteLet me wind up this topic on my blog with the following comments since I want to move on. I can write pages and pages but have no time....I thank those who have commented well on this subject.
ReplyDeleteBrother Thomas, I think you are confusing yourself even further. Initially you were in full support of Benny Hinn’s stormy sermons while now you have a problem with his Jets. People like Benny Hinn not only fly in jets, but stay in the best suites available in the most luxurious hotels that is found in and around the places that Jesus himself tells him to “Baptise”. He indulges himself in every luxury yet preaches for the poor and the needy. He collects money in the name of the poor and the needy and forgets to feed them since his own wants are not satisfied. Yes it is a cushy job!
Either Thomas is just arguing for the sake of argument or he is so naive to have fallen for these kind of “flying” pastors.
Yes..even Thanku flies all over the globe. But doesn’t he have enough in and around his own hometown who are begging to be “Baptised”? And why don’t these flying Pastors go to places like Saudi Arabia and Iran and try getting some converts? Do you also know that these flying Pastors are drinking heavily on these planes?(as for private jets...well it is left to your imagination as to what happens on them) Or could it be that they are filling themselves with the “Spirit” before they give their fiery sermons to jolt the poor sinners? Your next argument could be that it is written in the Bible that a little spirit is good and also there are Bishops and priests who indulge in this act. If the traditional churches and Bishops are the only reasons for your running away then haven’t your state become even much worse? So basically it is not the state of affairs in the Church that is bothering people like Thomases and Wisdom’s, if so they would have stood within the Church and acted.
While Yohannan and Benny Hinn have been in this business for a while and have learnt all the tricks of the trade for survival, Thanku just started and he has a long way to go with enough support from Thomases like you.
“Lovely Wisdom” wants to make a chilly chicken out of me, while he knows well that these pastors and people like him have been making “Golden egg laying gooses” out of all the gullible people. At least he has published blatantly the “tricks” of the trade. I can see how they have twisted the life of Jesus to confirm with their style of living. And they have already started the expected rhetoric too.. that the poor Christians (missionaries) are being the target of Hindu extremists. This will add more fire to their gatherings and the Pastors can now dance with more vigour on the stage. They can also post this in Christian Websites all over the globe and channel more money in.
I hope these people will take a second aside to ponder on the image they are creating among the non Christians. Christians in Kerala used to be a respected lot until materialism started creeping in among the religious leaders.
Abraham’s prosperity has got nothing to do with the way these people are making money out of Jesus and the Bible. If money can be made in any way then why don’t they sell drugs instead? Why do they need the religious label?
I believe one doesn’t have to make fiery speeches and dance on the stage to spread the Gospel but trying to live a life that Christ himself lived can be a way too. Gandhiji rightly said that he respects Christ and would have followed him only if he could see the Christians themselves following his path!
While Thanku’s and Yohannan’s have every right to a normal life they don’t have the right to gather wealth and real estates in the name of Jesus. They have gathered enough already which can cover a few charity on the sides.
If Christians don’t take up arms against this great unbalance in wealth in the name of religion then we shall soon have a sorry state of affairs. Thanku has even a bar hotel in his name and Yohannan has practically purchased the whole of Thiruvella. And if you think the school that he runs is a charitable institution then try sending your kids there.
Nothing can be hidden these days but unfortunately neither the media (not all), the police nor any political party wants to interfere or set things right for reasons well known. I feel these raids are just gimmicks. If not, they should bring out the truth which is clear to everyone. These “frauds” will continue to make others sin even further, until the public wakes up to the truth and act. I am sure cinemalas and comedy shows and even our cinemas will have more fodder for humour. I guess I better look forward to that atleast!
Thomas, I use modern-day parables or comparisons so that people would understand what I mean. Your comment has the answer to your question.
ReplyDeleteI hope you will check for yourself the criteria you use for comparison. I can understand the sincerity you have which is symptomatic of the new-denominational thinking of babies feeding on milk (ie; revelation of the saints). Even if it was milk, it would have been ok, but sadly it is more artificial milk (paperback / CD Chrisitians) which such gullible believers fall for not even thinking that the authors think that copyright is the right to copy be it DL Moody, Wigglesworth classics or the like..
Thomas, I have studied academically the Bible and also by the leading of the spirit and teach the Bible too. But, humbly let me admit that the more I learn I understand that without His power in me, I am nothing. But, praise God, I am not without Him. And I boast only on the crucified Christ. I have more than everything in Him. Jesus didn't have to prove that He was the son of God, neither do I have to prove the same. You could have checked my posts on prosperity or healing before commenting thus. It is ok. As I said, I can understand.
2 Cor 8:9 clearly says that we have grace in abundance to share / distribute with others after it suffices our needs. So, definitely, we should be prosperous but it is not to meet our lusts of the flesh, eyes, pride (1 John) etc. I am grateful to God when He provides as well as prospers me more than what I need so that I am a channel to bless others for the edification esp of the saints.
Again, your comment on Peter just because you raised it, did they ask the beggar to provide tithes after being healed? And if you learn church history which includes Dr Luke's Acts and Pauls' epistles, you will know that the collections were to meet the necessities of the saints (which includes all the Chrisitan brethren at that time not just St Paul or St Peter) and not to invest in real estate or chariots or to have equality with the rich Romans. That could be one reason they didn't have silver or gold with them. And praise God, they didn't have it whether they forgot to take their wallet or not because God was glorified and many did get converted with that miracle. Again, quoting Jesus, unbelievers seek after miracles but miracles follow for those who believe. I believe that God's best is blessedness than miracles. That is you don't have to get healed to know God's love. You could live healthy and know that it is His care and a better status than getting sick-healed-sick-healed etc.
The objective of offerings at that time was to bring about equality in the financial aspects and grace would abound to the giver to give more. While going against traditions which God rebuked, we cling to the covetousness the Pre-Jesus levitical priesthood did. Again, please check Eze 34. Wrong comparisons and wrong emulations make us ignore the log in our eyes but make us so concerned about the mote in the other's eye.. All of them worked for their own livelihood as well as for providing for others. They did suffer want, nakedness, life-threats etc but did that mean that they were not children of God? Carnal things cant prove always the Spiritual reality. It is understood by the Spirit. Again, the natural man can't discern all these things because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor 2:14,15).
most of your comments have no relavance at all. you change the meaning of my answers and then give an answer to that changed meaning..like you said move on and start writing in a league that matches your corrupted mind.You say u teach the bible..i can imagine all those poor chaps you would be teaching on stuuff like " brother be happy with the tribulations etc..its guys like you who make a mess of christianity..Iam sure like my other comments u will not publish this too..any ways keep your yellow eyes and ears open to what is happening in kottayam and feed the world with your diseased ideas and views..Good bye
ReplyDeleteI staunchly feel that this time is not well spent…going around the topic with nothing concrete being discussed. I think it should come to an end. Thomas has said that without the new churches, Chirst will not come again. To this there is no need to comment as anyone with knowledge of the Word knows to what extent this has been twisted. However I am happy that he has atleast made a point at “International Pastors” like BennyHinn…what a shame and to what level has Christianity degraded that we have local pastors and international pastors as what we say in business about local companies and multinational companies…if it goes on like this, I am expecting very soon to har about 3 star mission service and 5 star mission services…You have not answered one main question Bro Thomas. Have you ever proclaimed the word of God on the streets? Have you even been part of evangelism in any part of India where there is a Christian minority? Have you ever been beaten by the RSS for spreading the good news? These are circumstances which cannot be read about. You need to experience that to understand what is the Christian work that you say. Do this…don’t be among the majority that says I cannot go so I send…your money is of no value brother…and I don’t know if you are a full time evangelist or you’re are also working in the gulf..though it is not of interest to me, with this type of an opinion, I would be surprised if you are not a full time minister…since your calling and commitment is to bring people to God, I assume that you are in the ministry full time and not working in the secular field.
ReplyDeleteIf everyone who preaches in the name of God is from above, how are you explaining Mathew 7:15-23 which states: "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. "Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty work in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.' May be this is also wrong…ha ha ha…
Lovely wisdom has also stated that there are people who “Travel in and out of India” because of the love of Christ and for the love of people whom he has never seen” Well…one thing is evident..this love for people whom he has never seen is only for people outside India. The people in the remote part of India is not a concern to such gospel travelers. What an irony? The example stated by MV about the vegi meal is the exact phrase to label these people…
To sum up, I have absolutely no intention to influence people like Thomas or Lovely wisdom. One thing that is evident in the word of God is that we need to practice and preach the simplicity of Christ and for that I do not need to have a jet of my own nor a house of 2 Crores as I come from a country where still people are perishing for want of food…and I follow a master who taught to share what I have with my brethren…not to have a wonderful life for myself and save for my next generation…with this attitude now we cannot differentiate between a Man of God and Godmen…for me people who state that they are from God is the most dangerous…the responsibility of a Christian in spreading the gospel will not be taken care off if one comes to blogs like this and write very enthusiastically about Bro Thanku…brother…get down to business…let us see what you can do…built up some people who will say “Thomas showed me that Christ is Lord” and not that Thomas insulted me on a blog…
Shame on you all who talk for Thanku and similar folks…repent be on your knees and ask God for His forgiveness for going away from the Word ,to preachers “who came to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly were ravenous wolves…
Like you said this is not time spent well ..u have a preconceived diseased notion that pastor thangu is a wolf in sheep clothing...ask yourself all these questions...let me tell u iam in a minority area and after i finish my secular job at 5 pm i go to the labour camps and try to give Jesus to them. i spend time away from my kids till 11 pm .My reward comes from God..It is diseased minds of people like you who think that every gospel worker is after tithes and offerings..Like i said before bro get a life...move on..rpent and ask the lord for forgiveness for persecuting christians and trying to change the meanings of words and then giving answers to that to confuse the public..Ur Talking now as if i said something bad about pastor Benny Hinn..Man are you outta ur mind..seriously get a shrink while u can
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what had happened. But, the following was posted as one of my earliest posts today. Most of the others were continuation. Yet, as Alex said, these things just affect the meditation on the right things especially the Word. Thomas, I strictly believe in Sozo aspects, if you understand what I mean and I do preach them but sozo is never intended for selfish reasons or profiteering. Quoting on Jesus, we identify the tree from its fruit. How can an apple tree claim to be a mango-tree when it is evident for all to see the fruits produced? Again a white-paper is no better than yellow when it caters just to the lusts of the majority. Majority just like prosperity doesnt represent the qualification of a Christian denomination. Jesus, Paul, Elijah, Elisha were most unpopular during their ministry
ReplyDeleteIn Kerala, there are lot of parallel colleges (new independent churches), most of them with teachers (not all but definitely a majority) who hardly knows much on what they teach but focus on making students memorize the exam-oriented-questions. Most of them never know even the basics or the advanced of what they teach. The students obviously after their failure in school and the pressure from the family-social system are in a repentant (in the biblical sense which means the 180 degree turn-around) mode and they will work hard on the questions being taught and do pass the exams (healing, getting a job etc when it comes to newcomers in the new fellowships) and very occassionally in flying colors. Then these thottorials; sorry tutorials get maximum number of photos from all around the place and advertise it (testimonies) for their advantage... It is more like childish or teen-ish when some follow after others ignoring their parents to fill lusts be it for icecreams or other temporal appetites.
Well, if people did take moments for rumbling thoughts, they would know that it was not the fault of the original school (traditional churches where most of the congregation hardly takes any effort to attend bible studies or discipleship courses and most of the churches are focussed on rituals and asset management rather than the spiritual assets) or the advantage of the parallel college that had anything to do with the person's victory (in school or life).
Eph 1:3 states that we are already blessed in the spiritual realm and the bridge for it happening in the physical realm is our faith. New denominations do help in activating this but they fail miserably when it comes to discipling the people because as I commented previously, most of them if not all are ignorant or blind to teach them in those areas. Most of the congregation deny it but by their words and actions and attitudes, they show that they are the ones who grew up on the rocky surfact (Mark 4). This leads to deception of the leader and also the followers, which Paul strictly warns Timothy and Titus in his epistles; (riches being a snare, false teachers tickling followers ears with what they want to hear rather than the tradition, epistles etc. Remember, Timothy and Titus were the first generation Bishops (not Pastors or elders etc which many new generation pastors want us to think). The church IS the body of Christ, Christ being the head and every organ joined together to Him. Traditional churches do have a corporate existence and hence more organs in the body rather than single-organ-denominations. In both these denominations, there is a time for some when they delberately rebel against what is being taught and is blinded towards the relationship they should have. Later in their life, often after setbacks or major challenges like financial, health crisis, they turn homeward and upward. On the road, they meet many who gives them different pictures and explanations of their Dad. Most of them get carried away with that and fail to meet the Father who is waiting with open arms.
Most of the para-churches are good when it comes to evangelism etc but after that they are more interested in channelising the funds to them and due to the fear of losing it, they are reluctant to send people to traditional churces which have more experience. In 2 Chronicles, we read many stories about the generations of David which symbolises these new churches. David was the one who did have a heart for God all his life. Most of the latter generations, they started with their dependence on God (starting new churches understanding their Himdependence), achieves great victories (signs and wonders), increases in assets and depending on the pseudo-security it offers but decreases in Himdependence and later devolves rather than evolving to Christlikeness. Kenneth Copeland and K P Yohannan are good contemporary examples. If you listen to the messages when they started 25 years ago, it was so different and spirit-filled, but now their fruits are more of the wrong kind, feeding the appetite of covetousness... Again coming to Mark 4, it is more like the reverse of what Jesus wanted or expects, uprooting (stealing) the plants in the right soil and planting it on rocks. It does show a quick growth, but sadly, the growth where it matters, that which is under the ground is missing....
how did u arrive at a conclusion about selfishness.have u met him or is it just based on media news?You will be surprised..and once again when you have a conversation be man enough to publish all the comments..you keep moderation of comments on your blog and hold back what you feel is damaging to your precious ego...
ReplyDeleteHi Guys,
ReplyDeleteRead the recent posts..I am glad to know there is so much of confusion..hi hi..
I object to one point and that should summarise the entire discussion..
Is experience above theory?
I received Holy Spirit baptism and healing from a kidney disease in 1995 at the age of 16.Brought up in a traditional Orthodox Christian faith I was against all pentecostals and thought attack was best form of defence.
But today I can a discern a man of God from a dupe.
I attend meetings of most notable preachers and watch them critically.I can vouch for the Pastors of Heavenly Feast as my peer group has experienced healings and I have witnessed the move of the Holy Spirit in these meetings.
Though I may not approve of everything all pastors/priests do ..But I do refrain from unnecessary mudslinging.Judging others isnt our job.If so you must be perfect in the eyes of God..atleast I am not.
The Bible says criticising an anointed man of God is a sin.eg.
When Aaron and Miriam criticised Moses and when David spared Saul's life..this is shown
To check the real anointing on a Ministry there are few parameters.
1)The church must strive with the vision of second coming of Christ.2)it should minister and add new people to their fold.
3)the move of the Holy Spirit should be seen.
The witness of the Holy Spirit is healing,salvation of souls by listening to the gospel and excitement in praise and worship.The reason why Heavenly feast is such a big group today.
Missionary work and travel:
You may travel in or out of your town for missionary work as your calling may be.eg.Thomas and Paul didnt sit in their village to preach and Christ couldnt do miracles in his town.Jonah asked to go to Nineveh-he didnt like it though.
When people reject the gospel the missionary can dust his sandal and walk blame free.
Most of your opinions are heavily biased which any non believer and newspaper reader can give.
I had attended the heavenly feasts heavily criticised meeting at Trivandrum yesterday.
About 10000 attended.People from different places and age groups.
If you are trying to tell me 10000 (including me)were duped, you seem to make an assumption we are all brain dead!!Is that so?Or we are beggars waiting to get a bowl of rice from their foreign fund.
Or we arent smart enough to know that it can be dangerous to support a group in this crisis.
The highlight is that everybody sat through the rains..wishing to make a point to numerous intellectuals like u guys,that beyond miracles there was the LOVE AND UNITY IN CHRIST
.We were there to show our support and faith in a missionary ,even if the world decided to throw brickbats!!!
God choses the faith of fishermen and taxcollectors to humble Scholars like Saul and Pharisees.
Wealth seems to be the issue that disturbs all
Read the parable of the vineyard workers who got paid more than their work and the parable of talents where the one who earned more got more.
Maybe your committment to the gospel isnt aligning with what God plans for you.
The missionaries are accountable to only GOD and the Government.
Whenever there is change all criticise and stone the agent of change..what differentiates you from the jews who condemned Jesus after knowing and experiencing HIS love.
Maybe when the mob throws stones its fun to join the crowds!!!
I have seen this sad quality in Christians mainly..
While there is a deliberate attempt to cover up and dilute Santhosh Madhavan's political and mafia links..Thanku Bro is punching bag even after getting no evidence against him.
Media left this item tactfully and are focussing on Karnataka elections..
Hi guys
ReplyDeleteLet me wind up in trivandrum malayalam..
Ithinu oru arampathavum ille??(avasaanvum ille)
Bro Thangu -wolf in sheep's clothing..or may be lamb's(Christ the Lamb's)
How can u pick a speck in an eye with a log in yours..
Neither you have a love for a fellow Christian which even non believers give him,nor wait to hear his stand.
Do I sniff Jealousy..money,popularity,foreign travel and media attention!!Or may be a hidden fear of being proved wrong after all these years of believing that the rabit has 3 ears.(old malayalam proverb)
You know this verse of 'beware of false prophets and false teachers"
So if you are interpreting the Bible wrong and confusing us bloggers you too are a false teacher..if the greatest commandment is LOVE..isnt the underlying sentiment in these blogs HATE.
SO you guys are convinced of being in the TRUTH but the fruits of the tree arent that good.
I know this is slightly blunt..but I take the role of a mentor to correct this line of thinking..not because I am a saint ..but because I too was defensive of what I was taught and I saw.
David danced and praised God.Our salvation is victory over death and sin..we must celebrate over salvation with praise..
So that Jericho wall may fall and God give us victory like Jehoshaphat.
Criticism makes us think so I enjoy it.But argument without a real focus is like beating the air.
Sorry guys..Maybe I am all hyper the more I read these posts..
ReplyDeleteBut I am having a swell time.
Paavam that Thomas stands as soldier to match wits with so many of you!!
To the point of self defence he now struggles.
I malayalam there is a saying 'uttaram muttumbol konjanam kanikukka'meaning to show faces when stuck for answers.
Or better still like our Parliament where people bang on tables, shout and yell to prove their point.
Some great souls want me and Thomas to pray for forgiveness for supporting Thanku Bro..
Adipoli..Since you guys are judges and we two souls are lawyers maybe your court will stone both accused and lawyers before any case or trial.
Very just people!!!
Even if God comes down and says about Thanku Bro" Behold,this is my son with whom I am well pleased. Would you guys will say get behind me you Satan..bcos only you guys know the BIBLE well.
So just wait ..keep the stones in your pockets till anything is proved ..what if nothing is proved and Bro becomes richer and more popular..you may have to eat these words..
Since its blogging no problem..!!hummmmmmmm
Dear Brothers forgive me for the arguement,but do read Acts 5 ..35 to 39 which ends with saying you maybe even fighting god himself..so good bye and God bless u immensely in all that u all do..but please for heavens sake dont persecute christians, just because you misunderstand the intentions and the word of God..CIao..there will be no more entries from me..Forgive me for irrittating you..Thomas
ReplyDeletethought i would check in and see the spine of the rumbler whose thoughts must be on a high now...no cases against the accused but guess what CRORES..ha ha no guts to write now dr ? how about a dashing blog on the current happenings in kerala? what do you say?.Mani
ReplyDeletedear doc lets start again and guess what this time the tables have turned and last time even though you thought you were on a high it crashed down when nothing could be proved and they continued gaining souls in leaps and bounds while you were sitting in your armchair..this time how about an article on the recent happenings in kerala? what do you say ? have the guts or do you say ayyo anganeonnum illa ..paavam
ReplyDeleteMani i dont know who u r! but keep up the spirit and add to the coffers of people like thangu and kp yohannan. yohannan is now fcing inbestigation. dont worry law will soon catch ip. there was one such othr in ap and he os nps in jail for murder. these people will soon slip and fall.
ReplyDeleteIam talking about people who admitted to givi g Crores . Where did that come from ? Guess it is high time to take a relook at what you believe in. Not even one case was registered against pastor Mathew kuruvila or pastor thomas kutty . On the contrary we saw other stuff in catholic and orthodox levels. Pity right .. All that you all said against the pastors of heavenly feast got disproved in front of your eyes . Don't you think as a Christian it is high time to apologize for your false accusations . Mani
ReplyDeleteMani, I dont know why I should apologise for telling that Jesus is being sold over and over again. Thanku is another KP Yohannan... not that the churches that you mentioned are any different. I shall never understand what these guys give you which Jesus himself cannot give. all you need is a quiet corner and your Bible. Try it and see for yourself.
ReplyDeleteDear Kitten, precisely sit in a corner and read and you may never see the truth.Your statement JESUS HIMSELF CANNOT GIVE IS SO FUNNY.Read The word..it says i can do all things through christ jesus who strengthens me.You are confused if you think that they are giving something.YEs they did they gave me JESUS as JESUS and so today IAm free. Ok let's say you see the truth ! Then what ?sit at home or run to do what Jesus asked you to do in mark 16:15.many sit at home and read psalms, which was David praising God. It is like you reading your brothers letters to your dad and not really getting around to writing one yourself . Go for one of the meetings and you will understand what is being taught . They teach that Jesus lives in you and that you can do more than he did because that's what he said to his children, this is not about religion and all about Jesus. Please consider watching at least one message on www.theheavenlyfeast.org and you will understand that they are empowering millions of people world wide today to understand the power at work within them from the word . Stay blessed I don't have anything against you but when the dr had written so much against the heavenly feast and was not even responding to stuff seen in sai or amirtha or orthodox or catholic I felt he was being a hypocrite. Even when it was made clear in the newspapers that there was not even a single case taken against Tangu bro people are still up in arms. What for sister? We just preach the gospel and that's it.The post starts with an accusation saying that source of income has no answer.For your information every paisa has been accounted for and there are were no cases charged..HAve your heard of innocent until proven guilty,,,but you chaps are on guilty even when proved inncocent..there were other chaps also iun this melee like kat and alex and so on , hope that they have realized their mistakes.So stay blessed and good night. Rgds
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Mani: Let time prove what you wrote just now. KP Yohannan started the same way and now owns a good slice of Tiruvella and else where. He is not preaching Christ but is only a good businessman. I read an excerpt from his book in which he says that the Chrisitans in Kerala are persecuted by the Hindus! What a joke! these and such other statements were enough for funds to come in. Thanku is yet to chose this path but is busy with healing. If he can really heal, then please let him visit one cancer center and heal just one patient. I am sure they dont lack any faith. I dont know when people will realize that it is all staged. Right now he is being saved by the waves that hit initially. When it wears off, you will find him in the business of education or something else like every other person who makes a living out of selling Jesus.
ReplyDeleteAs for responding to Sai and Amritha, there are enough Hindus who do this. They are not fools. But being a Christian, it becomes my duty to expose frauds like Thanku. If you cannot take it, then leave it.
DeleteHi Kitten,Paul too was in business while working for the lord..he says in 1 Thess 2:9 Don't you remember, dear brothers and sisters, how hard we worked among you? Night and day we toiled to earn a living so that we would not be a burden to any of you as we preached God's Good News to you..so do you mean that Pastor.K P Yohannan should not do business? who are you to say that? Most of the nominal churches have shops etc that they rent out..would you say that is a sin too? come on come to your senses.In fact I too preach the good news and I do business too so that I am not a burden to anybody.And the lord gives me enough so that I can give to the needy also in the church.
DeleteAs for exposing Amrita and Sai Iam sure you wont because in bangalore u will have a tough time with them unlike real christians who are taught to turn the other cheek.
As for exposing crores being handed over for seats and money being swindled on real estate that too you wont because it is your laundry.
As for Tangu brothers mother, she died long time back.The testimony that you heard was of a person who is not his mother.That testimony is of a lady who goes to the heavenly feast.They do a ministry among the homeless.There are so many testimonies happening so you may not see each one being there forever.This is typical of many like you .Last time someone said Dr Mathew Kuruvilla is a nice guy but Tangu bro is not.Then Someone said " you idiot Dr Mathew kuruvillas pet name is Tangu brother.So sis in the comfort of your armchair you are doing more harm to the kingdom of God than you think.Have you ever reached out to even one person and given him Jesus? There were people like you in Jesus time too.One was nicodemus and to nicodemus question Jesus said " unless you become born again you will not see the kingdom of God..Nicodemus did understand later the significance of what Jesus said. What about you? All i wanted to say was that your wonderfull hubby and you posted someything that said money was not accounted and it was proven beyond all doubts that every paisa was accounted for and the same malayala manorama reported that in thier paper.So it will be good to write that...MANI
iam sure you will not post my reply..even if you dont people will see through your idiotic comment on tangu brothers mom
DeleteMani: if you check my post, you will find a link that is now removed from heavenly feast website. It told about Thanku's mother who died on a plane enroute to NY and met Jesus. Can you tell me why it was removed? Did Thanku realize that he does not need any more fake messages since he already have enough fools clinging to him?
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ReplyDeleteHow you expose yourself! Was Christ into the business of making money? Did he ask you to sell him to earn crores? I can quote enough from the Bible regarding the love of money. Christ only asked his followers to earn enough and toil hard to sustain themselves. But Thanku and brothers keep begging from every Tom, Dick and Harry. Is this honest work?
And now you expose yourself further by comparing to the Church. If what the Church doing is right why did you leave it to follow people like Thanku? Is it because the Church was not sharing the loot like Thanku? :)
Let KP Yohannan earn enough but not by owning acres of land and thus depriving the poor from owning a piece of land. People like him has made land price unreachable to the common man.
As for the video, it is very clear that Thanku was talking about his own grandmother.
BTW, why did you not take up the challenge of at least one cancer patient? Too much for Thanku?
As for Malayala Manorma, are they into authentic news or business? They report what they want and hence people like KP Yohannan and his likes survived this long. They themselves were caught in scams like Liz etc. but only the poor lost their hard earned money. So please dont quote such NP's. Thanku is accountable to God alone.
ReplyDeleteAs for me, I prefer to let my life be an example. I maybe far from perfect but I can assure you that I am much better than Thanku.
The other day we saw a scene at a worship center in Tiruvella.. not sure which denomination but it was very near to a hotel frequented by people from all walks of life. They were making such a scene that Christ would have ran from there. I saw men and women jumping up and down (good for a high jump competition!) and shouting things which none can understand. Why this show of faith? For whom? If it is for a man who does not know Christ, then let me assure you that you will only make him run away from Christ!
You contradict yourself my dear earlier you said it was his mother now u say grandmother. Make up your mind. If you want I can give u that ammachis number and u ur self can call up and find out who she is. You can't call up Thangu bros mother because she died long back. Now don't be a thick head and accept your mistake.
DeleteDon't try to change my words I quoted from the bible saying that paul worked hard to see that he does not have to ask people to support him..likewise what is your issue if pastr Kp Yohannan or any other pastor also does the same? One straight question " has Thangu bro asked u for anything? " if not please stop pointing ur finger at him.
Of course u won't reply to comments on sai amrita because they will not show the other cheek to you. As for the other issues that are happening in your nominal church you won't because it is embarrassing to you that the poor people were defrauded of their hard earned money. Ok now on manorama I quoted manorama because u quoted manorama , personally I don't like manorama either and don't read it
Now on the cancer patient , who said he heals ? It is Jesus who heals and attend a meeting and u will see the truth.
Now about people jumping up and down.. Heard of David? Bible says he disrobed himself literally or not I gave no idea but u should understand what happens when his glory fills a place. Read acts and u will understand.
It is people like u who have no idea about redemption or gospel that goes around with half baked ideas and do harm to the kingdom of God. If you are not born again you will not see the kingdom of God ..
DeleteMani: Mother or Grandmother, whoever it is ,he claims that she died and came back. God only knows.
ReplyDeleteAs for KP Yohannan and Thanku.. who gave them the right to sell Jesus and make money? Why dont you answer this question? Did Jesus ever ask you to sell him and make money? By real estate, own business establishments etc. If so, then why sell Jesus? Why not some other commodities like the common man? Because it is hard work right? Other commodities dont so well but people like Thanku play with the emotions, weakness and faith of millions. He will have to answer for it.
Of course if it is not Thanku but Jesus, let Thanku go to the cancer hospitals and cure just one patient.
Yea.. David did much more.. let me not mention it here!
Anyway this is my last comment.
Stop being a fool!
Typical of losers run with a final word and stop publishing all further stuff . Shame on you give all that Nuhro money back , let all your religious leaders give up their Mercs etc , wonder where they get Crores to buy a seat ... I find this hilarious
Deletehah that was quite nice ..now u say God only knows..good of you to admit that..let me try and get it into your thick skull "it was not his mother or grand mother but a lady who came to church and gave her testimony..it was not Tangu bro who prayed there , it was her husband..dont be such a thick headed idiot.Ok now what is this about selling Jesus? are you talking about the offering that is taken during meetings? I was under the impression that every church is supposed to do that and the church runs on that.Ever heard of REACH? anyone who wants food in kottayam is served food at the tent on a daily basis..if there are left overs it is sent to the nearby hospitals etc...or is it that in your church you dont give offerings? Nobody sells Jesus for your info..But then mebbe you are reffering to the crores of money that was paid for a post in your church or maybe the crores of money that was collected from people with the promise of nice little villas..come on ammachy get a life..you say that you are better than Pastor KP yohanan or Bro Tangu..:) i think this picture that you are painting brings out your real self and hey how about some articles like "our faith so fickle that when the house starts burning we go under?" take a look at your self and your funny no life articles, i pity you my dear ammachy..just one more thing before i say good bye..in the heavenly feast most of the miracles happen in the hands of common people like house maids , fisher men etc more than in the hands of Tangu bro or Thomas kutty bro.Many cancer patients are getting healed every day wether u likeit or not ...goandstick around with the meetings for a while and you will see the truth..walking into a cancer ward ..you wont believe it we do it all the time and we see many healings happening..because thats what jesus said you will do more than I did..any doubts? then you are doubting his Words..If you are a christian then go and reach outto people and not be stuck in that empty way of life inherited from your fore fathers.
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Mani: I had decided not to repy but since you insist upon making a fool of yourself why not? :)
ReplyDeleteMani or Thanku or Kuruvilla, or whoever you are, why are you comparing to the Church that you left? If what the Church is doing is right, why in the world did you leave it? Is is because the Church is not a one man show like Thanku's organization. The Church is answerable to the congregation right? Not that this has improved the Church but blame it not just upon the Clergy but also on the laymen.
So Thanku or whoever comes in the name of Jesus has nothing new to offer than what the traditional churches have been doing since years.. I mean their vices.
You seem to be very familiar with this Ammachi.. r u Thanku or the other guy? Why get so agitated with my post if there is nothing to hide. Post like mine will be ignored if there in no truth, right?
If you are Chrisitan today, it is only because of your forefathers and the Church that they painfully built and not because of weeds like Thanku who sprout for a day and then die. The Church may have it's faults but it is better to stay within and fight instead of joining something even more worse. As for my faith, no Thanku can add or substact until the Lord himself decides. So stop threatening.
Yea..cancer wards! go get a life!
Right go get a life .. I did not threaten you . You are the one who keeps talking about outright lies which u can't stand up to clear. Well I came from a Hindu background and when I read the bible I find that people like u existed in Jesus time too .. So have your fights in your church and well millstone is what the word says for such people. Please don't come into our church and talk nonsense . Who are you ? Go and fight those who robbed the people in the name of Nuhro or those who take poor peoples money and buy seats or those who were convicted of murdering a sister ..... on wi
DeleteI thought I shall post something that I found on the net regarding Mani who was fighting for Thanku...
ReplyDeleteSpecially the following comment..
Comment on Vellore by mani
Commenter: :mani Blog :Raju's Temple Visits Article : Commented Date: 8/7/2012 11:33:45 AM
Sir, We are in search of our kuladevatha in arani/vellore, as per prasannam, it is amman with nagam temple in siuth of arcot main bus stand , with ther and thiruvizha, a kind of big temple, can someone please help to identify. Thanks Mani
http://www.haaram.com/AuthorComments.aspx?AuthorID=mani&ln=en
and I thought Mani found his God in Thanku pastor!.. so a fraud pastor has frauds posing as his followers... a paid follower I blv...
hey that was quite a nice one..anyways iam forwarding your claim that mani is a fraud to Mr Mani.I checked his site and found that he is a hindu looking for temples.Lets see what they have to say to you about your armchair accusation letters.The bible says in mathew 5:21 if you look at your brother with contempt you are in danger of hell fire..Has pastor Tangu stolen anything from you?If not please shut your mouth.We dont write articles about nuhro scam or crores paid by methrans for seats or priests killing nuns or what ever , we are reaching out to the lost and have no time for all this.If you have the guts try writing about that or try and clear all the scams in your church.IAm a christian today because my church taught me that Jesus lives in me.I think you have no clue about christianity i feel maybe you know it as a religion but not the way Jesus wanted it.MAybe all you read is psalms and thats why you are stuck in that empty way of life handed down from your forefathers mentioned in the bible. If you read the bible you will understand that God does not have grand children, he has only children.What forefathers are you talking about? our fore fathers killed st thomas for preaching the good news ! lady stop your rantings and ravings and start reading the bible..read ephesians, romans etc and then the light will enter your life.Also earler we had a lot of criss cross mails form mt alex spine, kitkat , kutten all persumably you and your husband.Anyways hope that you will have the same fire when you start talking to the MR Mani of Haraam you have accused of being a fraud .Guess they must be RSS or whatever .Good to see them working together in what they believe where as here is MRS Dr easho sitting and fighting with every christian who is trying to do the lords work.have fun sister , hope that you will see the light and that Jesus came to give life in fullness and the devil comes to steal and destroy.So may God bless you immensely in all the things you can do in the light
ReplyDeleteSo Mani becomes thulasi? Good going!
ReplyDeletewhatever thulasi become mani or kat become kitkat or happy kitten or alex become thomas or dr george becomes mrs doctor.please write to the real mani asap.have fun and hey please do an article on your nuhro scam
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